Q & A Episode 72 - The Curious Kid: A Christmas Takeover Q&A with May
Episode #72 | Q&A with Mark D. Williams | A Christmas Takeover with May
Our annual Christmas tradition is back! In this special episode, Mark hands the mic to his 9-year-old daughter, May, who returns for a hilarious and heartwarming Q&A. From building timelines to bilingual clients to what happens if Mysa Hus doesn’t sell (spoiler: auction?), nothing is off-limits. It's cozy, curious, and full of dad jokes—just how we like it.
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The host of the Curious Builder Posdast is Mark D. Williams, the founder of Mark D. Williams Custom Homes Inc. They are an award-winning Twin Cities-based home builder, creating quality custom homes and remodels — one-of-a-kind dream homes of all styles and scopes. Whether you’re looking to reimagine your current space or start fresh with a new construction, we build homes that reflect how you live your everyday life.
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May Williams 00:00
Hello and welcome to the curious builder podcast. I'm your host, May Williams, and today I'm going to be interviewing my dad, Mark Williams, or you may have known him as the curious builder. That's a good intro, man. Good job. Thank you. All right, we did this last year. Did we do a Christmas special last year too? Yes, we did. All right, so it's time for round two with my daughter. May, all right, may rough me up. What you got? All right, the first question is, about this podcast. How do you decide who to be on this podcast? That's a great question. So when I first started the podcast three years ago, I wanted all a lot of the podcasts that I listened to, they have guests that come on, but it's always like, remotely on a screen or like a camera. And I enjoy this, like, where I can see you, like I can kick you into the table if I want, and
Mark D. Williams 00:50
it's more fun to have a conversation with, like, a real life person, right? And so for the first year, all the interviews I did was in person, which meant that most of the people I interviewed were from Minnesota, and now in the in the couple years since I interview lots of people around the country, and in fact, next year, I'm not going to interview anybody in person, because I'm doing we're going to do something called the smile to her. Smile tour, yeah, do you want to know what the smile to her is? It's where you spread smiles all around the world by podcasting. I mean interviewing them. I mean, that's kind of right, but the smile, hopefully we do that too, but it's going to be like if the United States. We're
Mark D. Williams 01:29
going to start in Washington in quarter one, so that's q1 that's January through March. And so I'm going to interview starting on the West Coast, so Washington, Oregon and California. And then I'm going to go down to Phoenix, Arizona, New Mexico, Australia, Texas, Florida, exactly, smiling, and then up the east coast. So it's going to create a big smile around the bottom the United States. Oh, does that make sense?
May Williams 01:53
Yeah, that's clever. All right. Another question for the curious builder, if you have, like, a lot of houses under like, like that you're gonna build. Do you build them all at one time? Or do you finish one and then start the others? Or, like, how do you do it if you have a bunch of houses that you in progress or that you're gonna start?
Mark D. Williams 02:16
Yeah, that's a great question. May. So we're a small custom home company, so we do maybe four to seven projects at a time. And most of our projects, our new homes, are between 2 million and say, $8 million so they're really detailed and pretty expensive homes, right? So there's, it's not just any craftsman that you can put in there. They have to be very specialized, really high talent. And so we try to avoid having the same house start at the same time. We can have different homes going at different phases, because it takes like we went through Misa, who's today, right? Your brothers and I, we went and toured, gave pastries to the trimmers, yeah? And we learned we did our handshakes with everyone, yeah. And so that house is what's called at the trimming phase. So the trimmers are putting in all the wood, and pretty soon, Rich is going to do all the cabinetry. And so my point is, is that I wouldn't want another house that's also exactly at the same phase. Does that make sense? But I could do five homes at a time, at different phases, right? So like next, in a couple weeks, we're gonna start one. So we'll, it's called breaking ground. So they'll dig in the snow, and we'll do the foundation, so that's concrete, right? And then we'll let that one go for about 30 days. So in 30 days, we can dig the hole, we can get Foundation, we can get all the concrete walls, and then the framers can start framing the house. Although that you know what the framers are.
May Williams 03:39
They're the people who put like that outside of the windows on the
Mark D. Williams 03:44
Yeah, like all the lumber, like all the lumber, right? So they're putting in the trusses and the roof trusses, and they do put in Windows too sometimes. So then I'll start another house. So I could probably start a house every 30 days. And then, by the fact that they're always at different times in the sequence, I can do five, six projects at one time, but they're all like someone might be painting a house, because I try to use this a lot of the same people on the same job. So can you be in two places at once?
May Williams 04:10
I could if you were, if you took two cameras and then, you know, one here, one there, she's in the same place.
Mark D. Williams 04:19
No, you can't do that unless you have a twin sister. Wait, do you have a twin sister?
May Williams 04:24
Maybe I do. So
Mark D. Williams 04:26
anyway, that's So does that answer your question? Yes. Okay, what's your next one?
May Williams 04:30
How long does it take to usually build one of your like, a common house, or, like, how long does it usually take to build a house?
Mark D. Williams 04:39
Good question. So it depends on how big it is. So if something is more detailed, it's going to take a lot longer, right? So like Misa house is really detailed house, but honestly, we're doing that really fast. We're going to do that house in about 11 months, which is pretty fast. That's a 5000 square 5300, square foot house, and it's probably one of the most detailed. Homes have ever done, if it wasn't that, it was Misa who's and if it wasn't, like, right now, we don't have another couple jobs under construction like that's the only one, so we get to focus all of our attention on one thing. So I think we're going faster because of that. We have three or four other projects that are all in final design and permitting, so we're kind of waiting for those. Had they started earlier. It probably would have taken us a little bit longer, but right now, I can take all my resources and put it on the one house, which is just just kind of what's called happenstance.
May Williams 05:30
What would you do if Mr. Hoose was like, it hadn't sold, but you had finished it? What would you do with it?
Mark D. Williams 05:35
Well, that's a good let me finish. That's a great question, because that's every builder's fear. Let me go back to finishing so or your earlier question, which is based, oh, how long it takes a house? So, like we're doing another house that's 8000 square feet, so almost another 50% bigger than Misa house that'll take about 16 months to build. But I would say, in general, when someone comes to me and says, Mark, we'd like to build a house between four and $6 million dollars. It's roughly four to 6000 square feet somewhere in there, I'll say you can probably plan on six to eight months to design it and probably about a year to build it. So it depends on how complicated is, but in general, you're about a year and a half between design and building it. Okay? Now your next question was is, what do I do if Lisa whose doesn't sell? Well, let me ask you, what would you do if the House didn't sell?
May Williams 06:27
I could move in or, um, I actually don't really have a lot of No, I don't really know. I've never No. That's not
Mark D. Williams 06:37
something a little nine year old usually thinks about. So that's a great question. So we have done, we've done a lot of things different with Misa, who's which means we've done, we've created whole brand around it. We talk a lot about, like, wellness. You know how, like, I like to do saunas and exercise and things like that.
May Williams 06:54
So you do? You love your saunas?
Mark D. Williams 06:58
So the sun, the sauna, the house, has a lot of wellness things about it, right? So I'm talking about it on the podcast. I'm marketing it like today. You know, we met with some architects, and we met with Darren engaged for lunch, and remember the our TJ, remember we gave the bag away that had those Misa, who's tiles on it. So we're constantly marketing and talking about it. So my hope is, is that, because I've been talking about it for about seven or eight months, and the house is going to take about another four or five months to build. By the time we're done, hopefully someone will be interested in buying it before we're even done with it. That's the goal. But if it doesn't, it's going to be in what's called the artisan home tour. So that's where it's open to the public, and there'll be 1000s of people that pay to come through the house to see it again as a business, we hope to get other build jobs off of it, like I hope to meet new clients that are like, Oh, I love this house. Could you build me a house? Because that house may be too expensive for somebody, or maybe it's not their style, because Misa who's is not a style. Misa who's is like a philosophy and so, but if it still doesn't sell, then sometimes you have to wait, and that that can be really unnerving. That's kind of like the worst case scenario, because it costs a lot of money for the house just to sit there, because, like, you have to borrow money from a bank, or you're paying what's called interest, and so that's a very expensive house, so every month that I don't sell it, it costs me more and more money. But like, let's you want to hear what like the worst case scenario would be, sure, all right, so the worst case scenario is, let's say we couldn't sell it for a year, or two years or something, because it's, I've often joked that we can't afford miseous, because you guys have asked me, like Dad, can we move into the house? And so I guess what we probably have to do is we would sell our own house, right? We'd maybe sell the cabin land, and we would have to, you know, going to miso Well, that would be great, but no, because that's even more expensive. But my point is, is our house is worth amount of money. We could sell our house to get money, and then we might have to, we might have to move into a smaller house or a more affordable house that isn't as expensive, right? And then we would use the difference between the expensive house and the less expensive house, and we would use that money to pay the bank some interest so that we could keep it out there, or you keep lowering the cost of MISA who's until somebody buys it. Would you buy Misa who's for $1
May Williams 09:10
No, what I mean? Yes, I would. I would buy it. I wouldn't put it on sale.
Mark D. Williams 09:15
No, right? No. But my point is is, like, everything will sell at some price. So Right? We're not disclosing what the price is just yet, because we're not done with it. But let's just say, let's say, every day I dropped it a million dollars. I know, which is crazy, right, right?
May Williams 09:29
But let's do $200 or maybe $100 every time, right?
Mark D. Williams 09:34
Well, sure, I mean, but that's not the point. The point I'm trying to get to is like, eventually I'll lower it to, it to such a good deal that someone would want it, right? And there's another strategy, so some real estate agents will deliberately price a house under its value. So like, I know this number is safe to share. So like, because the land alone is worth a million dollars. So let's just say I put it on let's say I just told everyone it's for sale for 2 million mm. And that's a lot of money, but, like, it's way less than what it actually is, right? And so what you would get is you would get, like, 10 or 15 people that are like, Whoa, that's a great deal. And that's called a bidding war. They start bidding it up. They're like, well, I'll pay you three and no one's like, I'll pay you three and a half million. And then this guy goes, I'll sell you 4 million, 5 million, 6 million, 7 million. That's what you hope, right? And then, because everyone wants it, and so it's called supply and demand. And eventually, you know, whoever gives the most money, then it's their house. So anyway, those are some scenarios, if an auction, it is exactly like an auction man, exactly that is, that is sometimes so like, let's say, you know, let's say I died, or let's say we moved to another country, or I lost my job, or whatever, and the house is still there. Sometimes, like if a bank was involved, like the house will actually be owned by the bank, and then the bank does what's called an auction. So let's say I went bankrupt. So let's say Mark Williams Custom Homes went out of business. Let's say I didn't have any money, or let's say we all died in a plane crash, which would be terrible, right? But let's just say that happened. So now you have this house. So what do they do with the house? So that it goes to auction, and someone who is an auctioneer will auction the house off, and people can try to buy it. So you were exactly right that that is an auction is also another way to sell a house. You usually don't get the best price that way, because the bank just wants to kind of cover what their cost is, and so it's usually not a good scenario. All right. Thank you. Was that more than you wanted for in that question?
May Williams 11:31
Well, first it was, but then I wanted more. I
Mark D. Williams 11:44
we're happy to announce that on March 20, we are running sauna camp back for its second annual event that's going to be out in Lake independence. It's going to be a half day event. We're going to start with a one hour podcast with three endurance athletes, someone who's climbed Mount Everest and the creator of hostage tape. We're then going to have two hours of sauna and cold plunging in between. We're also going to have Himalayan chocolate from Legacy chocolates, a good friend of mine, and a chocolate tour from St Paul. And then we are going to end with fumo, which is like their tagline in Smoke we trust. So if you're interested in community, if you're interested in learning some new experiences and really diving deep on your wellness, we hope you'll join us on March 20. All the details are on the curious builder podcast.com.
May Williams 12:31
Okay, the next one is, what got you into building?
Mark D. Williams 12:34
Okay, what got into built? Well, remember grandpa and grandma were builders? Okay, yeah, I do. Yep. Mom was a design, grandma was a designer, and grandpa was a builder. And then, like, both sides, like, Uncle Jeff, he's a builder, and Auntie Holly and Uncle Mike, they built the commercial building. So there's a lot of building in our family, right? But I knew I did not want to do that because, like, Well, no, because everyone was doing it. And I just thought it wasn't unique. I kind of like to do my own thing. And so that's true, but I didn't want to be a builder, because they were builders. You know what? I mean? It's kind of like, like, maybe that like Simon and Tate, you know, you like swimming in gymnastics, but what if Simon and Tate were like, I don't want to do what may does. I want to do something different. Because they just don't want to do exactly what you do, right? Yeah, it's kind of that, that idea. So grandma and grandpa retired, and 2001 and I started in 2005 so four years later, I thought, You know what, maybe it would be kind of fun to build a house. So I built a house. Grandpa helped me. I went to an architect that he worked with, or a drafts person, and we designed a house, and then we built a house and tried to sell it. And I thought, This is so much fun and so rewarding, and I was pretty good at it and and that was it. So I sold, I had a car. I had it was called a silver Jetta. It's like a little Volkswagen Jetta. And I sold it to get a silver truck. So I stayed silver, but I got from one, from a car to a truck, and then I went to school, or got my license to be a builder, and then I started building homes.
May Williams 14:02
All right, yes. All right. Next one. How would you communicate with someone if they wanted you to build a house, but they didn't speak English like they spoke another language?
Mark D. Williams 14:14
Oh, that would be a good one. May well. It's funny. I did you see the new Apple iPods that tell you that? Oh, you get those? Well, I mean, honestly, until just a week ago, I wouldn't have thought about it, but now the new Apple iPods speak, I think, 10 languages. So let's say you spoke Spanish, or I had a Spanish speaking client, or let's pick a hard one, like Japanese. What if they didn't speak English, but they spoke Japanese. I could wear that ear pod, and they could speak to me in Japanese, and I could understand what they're saying in English, and then I could speak back to them in English, and it would translate it into Japanese. That's one way, but that's a pretty new technology.
May Williams 14:49
Then you'd have to get them ear pod air pods too. Yeah, that's a pretty
Mark D. Williams 14:53
good deal. If they want to build a multi million dollar house, air pods are, like, 400 bucks. That's a good deal, or like, 200 Okay? Or the other idea would be, you could hire a translator. So that's what they did before that technology existed, right? So you can, you can hire someone to in this case, we'll say it's someone from Japan, and I would hire a translator, and that would just be part of the custom build. So anytime we met with that client, I would have the translator in the rooms with us, and they would help you know they would be they would speak between us.
May Williams 15:23
Oh, okay, you have it all planned out. I didn't know you even thought about that.
Mark D. Williams 15:28
I did think about that, but that's how you asked me, how would I solve it, and so that's how I would solve it.
May Williams 15:35
Are there some common problems, or just problems that you run into when you're building houses?
Mark D. Williams 15:39
Yep, there is a lot of problems. I think the biggest problem is probably communication. And so I think the most important thing probably in life, actually, is communication, right? So, I mean, like when mom tells me to pick some stuff up from the grocery store and I forget, or, you know when, when you say, Dad, can you remember to sign me up for a gymnastics meet? I mean, that's communicating, right? So in building a custom homes, there's, there's 1000s of decisions, there's hundreds of companies, hundreds of people that you're scheduling, right? And so you met Mike loggie, or you've met him many times, but Mike is our project manager. And have you met Angie before? Yep, I have Yep. So, so Angie's the Project Coordinator, so she helps work on all the money right? Because we could schedule everybody, but what if all the contracts aren't right, right? Or what if we agree not to pay somebody, or what if I there's a lot that goes into it, because I have to hire somebody, so I have to make sure their insurance is right. I have to make sure that, I have to make sure that all the things that that they're going to show up on time, that they can even take the job that we have it in our budget to pay them all those kinds of things. And then Mike has to actually schedule them like, please, like the trimmers you met today. There was four, five trimmers today on Misa, who's right, yep. And so Mike said, Hey, I'm scheduling you from December 15 through January 17. And in those, let's say five or six weeks. You know, it's their job to trim out the house. So he's constantly going to the job site and ask him, What do you need? Where are you doing? And so, like, it's like, you know how, like, when you guys bake cookies, or you make food with mom in the kitchen, like you're checking the recipe, you're reading the recipe, you check the oven, like you're constantly checking you couldn't, like, put something in the oven and then go down to the park and play for a while. Like you kind of have to stay in the kitchen, right? Yeah, so it's kind of like Mike has to sort of stay close to the house. That's also why we can't take on too many jobs, because if we take on too many jobs, Mike can't be at all those jobs, or I have to hire more people,
May Williams 17:36
sure, all right, what was your job before being a builder? If you had one
Mark D. Williams 17:41
good question. So in middle school and high school, I had a lawn mowing business. What did you call it? I think I just called it Mark Williams lawn mowing. I had these little green cards, so, like, you know, like the paper slicer that you can cut. I think you have one at home. And so I just made these neon it's a professional lawnmower, and I would go hand it to people with my phone number, and I think actually it's my same phone number I have today. I've had that phone number for a long time. And I would end grandpa, we had a three acre yard, so our yard was really big, so I had a big riding lawnmower, and grandpa said, as long as you mow our yard. And so that was just part of my chores. I didn't get paid to do that, but then I could use the lawnmower and go mow whoever else's yards I want. So Grandpa got me a trailer, and then eventually I had a truck in high school too, and it was actually i co owned it with Auntie Ashley. So I had my silver Jetta, and then we bought a Dodge. What was it? A Dodge? Not a Durango, anyway, Dodge truck. I can't remember what kind of model it was. And in the summertime, I would switch with Ashley. I would give Ashley my car, and I would take the truck. And then the wintertime, Ashley would drive the truck. And so then I had something that could pull my lawnmower. But I just started at first, just mowing all the all the neighbors, yeah. So, and then I should finish up. So then I went to college, I sold my lawn mowing business to somebody else. They bought it, and as I recall, I think they bought it for like, $10,000 it wasn't a lot of money, but, I mean, it was a lawn mowing business. It was a pretty good deal. I mean, I kind of made I didn't know what I was doing. I just, you know, I used to have like, this little piece of paper, and I would write out how much they owed me, and I'd either mail it to them or give it to them, and then they would just pay me, you know, in cash, or mostly cash or checks, and then, and then I would pay for gas and oil changes and things like that. And then I sold my business, and then I helped it, helped pay for my college. And then I after that, I had a lot or had a job for one year in sales, I had to wear a suit and tie, and I sold copiers. So I used not
May Williams 19:46
see you in a suit and a tie.
Mark D. Williams 19:48
Yeah, me neither. So it was really hot and stuffy. I didn't like it. I should say I loved, like, learning this some of the sales and like being in I think it was just time. You know, I was pretty young. I was 23 years old, like I was a little bit. Be and so, you know, it's like just learning to go meet with people, understand their business, calling on them. So I learned a lot about just, like calling people, setting up appointments, like really coming up with, like a process to the sales process. And then I got into building, and that's been 21 years of building.
May Williams 20:18
21 that's a lot. Let's see here. What do you do when you're not building?
Mark D. Williams 20:23
Well, what do you Well, you know what I do when I'm not building? What am I doing when I'm not building?
May Williams 20:29
I don't know when you're building and when you're not. Okay.
Mark D. Williams 20:33
So I like to, I get up real early in the morning, as you know. Yes, I like to go the gym to work out, or in the summer times, I run and bike a lot with Tony and all the other guys. And then at night, I always pick you guys up at school at five. We have dinner at 530 and, you know, we play games at home, battleship with the boys, Legos, take you to gymnastics and stuff like that. Sauna. Sauna, pretty great. And then on the weekends we, you know, we go do fun stuff, and like, we go on vacation, or we'll go, we went camping this summer, or go to the lake, or, you know, just do stuff. So that's what I do when I'm not working. I guess.
May Williams 21:10
Did you want to be a builder since you were a kid? Or did you, oh, wait, never mind, you already answered that. But like, did you have any other dreams that you wanted?
Mark D. Williams 21:20
You know what's funny? It's, you know, how Simon right now, because he's so good at Legos, he said he wanted to be engineer. When I was a little kid. I wanted to be an astronaut or an engineer, but I went to been a very good engineer. Because engineers have to be really focused on one thing for, I think, for, you know, like, study a problem, and it's, you know, have to, I think you have to be good at math, and you really have to. And I'm, I have too many interests, like, I'm too, yeah, I'm just
May Williams 21:43
too focused on one thing for right, too long, right?
Mark D. Williams 21:47
Yeah, it's, it's hard for me to do just one thing. I get bored. Yeah, me too. So I like to do a lot of things at the same time. That makes sense. All right. Last Wait, no, I have two, two more questions,
May Williams 22:00
okay, do you get do you and your teammates get along? Yeah, we
Mark D. Williams 22:03
get along really good. I think this is the best team we've ever had. I we did our company Christmas party a couple weeks ago, and it was really fun to see everybody. And then the next week, I did everyone's interviews. So twice a year I get them together in my office, and I just asked him, like, what's going it's like, you know how you could do a report card for school? I just kind of give him a report card. Like, what are we doing? Are we doing? Well, do you feel like you're being Do you feel like you're valued? You know, what do you think the camaraderie or the team chemistry is and and they agree with me. I think this is the best our team has actually ever been in our history. So it's we have a really good team. We really and we're really diverse. Everyone's a little bit different. So, so I think it's important that people on your team can do different things. You know, it's hard for me to stay focused on one thing all the time. Like, like, you've met Joel before, yeah, so Joel is, he manages all our money. He's really good at it, right? And so he's really good at seeing focused on the dollars. And Mikey is really calm and really good at, you know, being at the job site every day. And he's just kind of a steady Eddie. He just really constant, which is really amazing. Clients love him. And Angie's really detailed. So she's, I call her my little unicorn. You and her, I got you both at unicorn sticker, because, like, a unicorn is like a magical being. Like she can do everything. So she can do estimating, she can do, like, engineering, she can do coordinating. She does all our client agendas, and she's just a great human being, so it's kind of fun. So we have a great team. Well, I'm
May Williams 23:27
glad to hear that. And our last closer is, do you get along with your clients?
Mark D. Williams 23:33
That is a good question. MAY Yes, I do. You know, I'm very thankful for our clients, because we couldn't, we couldn't do any of this without our clients, right? So everything in this office right here, you know, the clients pay us, and we do excellent work, but they're trusting us to they give us our money, their money, and they trust us to build a home and our reputation, because we've been doing this for, you know, over two decades. You know, they know that we're going to stand behind our product, and we have, we've always had a really good reputation on doing really good things, but sometimes, not every client. You know how, like at school, not everyone in your class is your best friend, right? Yes, and not every you can get along with most people, but sometimes, like, there's a bully, right?
May Williams 24:13
So like with your clients, do you ever get frustrated or, like, do they like, sort of, you know
Mark D. Williams 24:22
for sure, yeah, everyone, everyone who owns a business, can relate to that. That's a good question. May, yeah, yeah. I definitely can get frustrated with clients sometimes. I think the hardest ones is like, we try so hard to do a good job, and our team is so conscientious. It's like, you know, if you did the best you could to make me a birthday card, and then you gave it to me, and I just, like, threw it away. And was like, I don't like that may, yeah, but that, how would that make you feel? Not the greatest, yeah. And so that's kind of like, you know, we try really, really hard. We're not perfect, but we try. Our team is really hard, hard working, and we do good work. And sometimes clients get frustrated, but it's kind of like, remember, we told you about bullies. Sometimes we don't know what's happening in their. House or with their family, or what they're feeling. So sometimes a bully at school, you know, the way they talk to you might really be how someone's talking to them. And so I try to be patient. Sometimes the clients are maybe, if they're not very nice or not very patient, I mean, I have to be professional, and I still have to be kind, even if they're mean or if they lose their patience, I, you know, I sometimes will just say, let's take a little break. Let's talk about this at our next meeting. Or, you know, you know, listening to them is probably the most important thing. And just listening and say, like, okay, all right, may tell me what's the problem? How? What am I doing that's that isn't making you happy? How can I how can we do a better job? Because most of the time, clients just want to know that you're that you're there, heard and so but the most frustrating thing is when you you know how, like, you kind of get upset when mom repeats herself to you, yes, and I mean, I do too. But honestly, that goes for anyone. Like, if you have to repeat yourself, it's frustrating for the person who hears it, but it's also the frustrating for the person who says it, right? Like, today, you guys were a little rambunctious today, right? How many times did I have to tell you guys to calm down? 20 times a lot. But my point is, is like, you didn't like hearing it. I didn't like saying it. So I think both parties can get kind of frustrated with each other, and that's just part of it. You got to work through it. Because there are plenty of times where I've told clients things and they it's just like they don't hear what I'm saying. And it's frustrating, because then they'll come back to me and then the very thing I told them, that's the thing that they're like, Well, why? You know, like, maybe there's a delay in the schedule. And I'll maybe tell them, like, Hey, we've had some weather delays. It's minus 20 for a week or something. Do you want to work outside when it's minus 20? And they if you keep saying the same thing over and over again, but they don't hear you. Sometimes you have to change how you present it because they're just not listening.
May Williams 26:42
All right. There you have it. Folks, Christmas special. Yeah, Christmas special. And wait.
Mark D. Williams 26:50
Oh, yeah, oh, the hum thing. All right, well, thanks. This episode airs on Christmas. Oh, yep. So what? Anything you want to say to anyone's and all their families on Christmas,
May Williams 27:01
Merry Christmas, and have a Holly Jolly Christmas.
Mark D. Williams 27:05
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Mark D. Williams 27:13
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